MyDD :: We Clintonites should give credit where it is due

We Clintonites should give credit where it is due

by lombard, Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 01:07:27 PM EST

Many of us who support Clinton do so because we followed the fall debates and felt that Clinton was superior to Obama in debates and appeared far more prepared and ready for the job than Obama. What we've seen from Obama in the last two debates is a candidate who has come a long, long way from the time of our initial impressions. He now appears far more ready than he did then. I still don't know how well he will match up against McCain but I think he is no longer capable of flopping in his general election debates.

We also have to acknowledge that the Clinton campaign was simply outplayed in this primary season. Yes, they had plenty of help from non-Democratic Hillary haters and MSM adulation, but their own campaign strategy and superior ground game made more important contributions to their likely nomination victory.

Hillary seemed to understand last night that she has lost and there really isn't much she can do about it anymore. I hope she does pick up some victories so she can end her campaign on a higher note.

One thing we could still take pleasure in from last night. Her final comment when positioned against Obama's played against the line we've been hearing this whole "campaign. "Obama is all about 'we' while Hillary is all about 'I'" He even looked like he knew the wily old pol still had it in her to outshine him.

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Re: We Clintonites should give credit where it is (2.00 / 1)

Hillary seemed to understand last night that she has lost .

- If you are truly a supporter I don't think you would ever make that comment.

Despite the spin you have definitely lapped up , a lot of her real supporters are still working hard for her to win the up coming primaries.

She went on Tv today and said it was all spin , yet you still can't comprehend that.

Then that comment was definitely unworthy.

Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.

by lori on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 01:18:50 PM EST

Re: We Clintonites should give credit where it is (none / 0)

No, it wasn't.

Cheers to Lombard for being even-handed.

by Cycloptichorn on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 01:21:34 PM EST
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Thanks! (2.00 / 1)

People have to understand and accept when they've lost. I understood and accepted that after the Potomac primaries. The writing was on the wall. Hillary seems to understand that now. I'm still pulling for her to win every primary she can, but I no longer believe she can win the nomination contest.

by lombard on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 01:26:30 PM EST
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Re: Thanks! (2.00 / 0)

I don't expect her to claim she's "lost" at this time, but if things go poorly for her on March 4th, then she'll have the choice of fighting tooth and nail, even if it brings down the nominee, or doing what's right for the party, and stepping aside.

While some seem to think it best that she fight to the point of scorched earth, I think her closing moment last night showed that she wouldn't do that (at least, I hope that's what it showed).

No way. No how. No McCain.

by freedom78 on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 01:30:39 PM EST
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Re: We Clintonites should give credit where it is (2.00 / 2)

He has improved dramatically in the debates. As an Obama supporter, I'd like him to do one thing better.

He relies a bit too much on his stump speech in the debates, and it makes his answers predictable. Clinton knew that JFK quote was coming, and she was ready to trap him with another JFK quote. Fortunately for him, this was in an area (negotiation w/ Cuba) where he had expanded his position such that he addressed the concerns Clinton's quote raised before she had a chance to raise them. But, it highlights an important weakness in his debate strategy.

No way. No how. No McCain.

by freedom78 on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 01:27:21 PM EST

It ain't over till it's over. (none / 0)

She just received an endorsement from U. of Texas-Austin...if she wins Texas and Ohio she could continue.

This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring! If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!

by venavena on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 01:36:00 PM EST

Wow! That's pretty amazing. (none / 0)

UT seems like an unlikely source. Still, I would imagine that the overwhelming majority of UT students (and faculty, too) would vote for Obama.

by lombard on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 01:49:57 PM EST
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Re: We Clintonites should give credit where it is (2.00 / 2)

As an Obama supporter... I applaud Hillary's performance last night. Everybody was saying that she'd have to go scorched earth and I was afraid that she thought that if she was going down she was taking everyone with her.

She didn't do that. Instead of doing what maybe would have been politically advantageous to her, she did was was advantageous for the party and the country. She took the high road.

Any ill feelings I had toward her melted away and it occurred to me that it's not her as a candidate that rubs (some) people the wrong way, it's her team (Wolfson, Penn, and crew). I'm sure she had to fight her own team to allow her to do the right thing last night.

I hope we can go into November a united party and into January a united country.

John McCain defends Bush's Iraq strategy.

by recusancy on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 01:41:44 PM EST

give credit where it is due (none / 0)

Obama supporter here:

Last night was not a concession and I expect this campaign to play out through TX and OH, if not beyond (I never count out the Clintons).

But her last comment, I believe, was her way of saying she's not going to drag this out through the convention and that she has finally accepted publicly what she is up against.

It was the first time in over 10 years that Hillary has done or said something that I liked. Quite a moment.

by DoubleDs on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 01:54:03 PM EST

First time in 10 years? (2.00 / 1)

Me thinks you have been closing your ears to her if that is the case.

Your comment shows how preconceived notions have kept her down. I had them, too, but after watching her in the fall, I realized most of this Hillary hatred must have been due to hard wired perceptions based on unchallenged second hand information. I didn't know how anyone could watch her (if they were doing so with an open mind) and not come away at least a little impressed.

by lombard on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 01:59:52 PM EST
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Obama supporters must give credit where it is due (2.00 / 1)

and I am hoping that, should Obama become the nominee, they have a unity rally or a night for Hillary at the convention, to pay tribute to what he has accomplished this year. I think because of her campaign, the idea of a woman president no longer seems like a pipe dream.

by DoubleDs on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 01:56:28 PM EST

Agreed (2.00 / 1)

She has more than earned a prominent place at the convention and in the administration. They might butt heads too often for either one to be the other's VP, but these are two incredibly gifted politicians. We need them both.

"Mom, baseball, apple pie, and a unified Democratic juggernaut."

by Purplepeople on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 02:02:07 PM EST
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Re: Agreed (none / 0)

Now that it's beginning to seem like the party will unify, could you possibly change your tag line? I am no cultist.

by DoubleDs on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 02:09:13 PM EST
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Heh (none / 0)

I wondered if this would trip me up at some point. I'm an Obama supporter all the way, the tag is intended as a joke. :)

"Mom, baseball, apple pie, and a unified Democratic juggernaut."

by Purplepeople on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 02:13:21 PM EST
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But you are right (none / 0)

Even as a joke it's time to move on.

"Mom, baseball, apple pie, and a unified Democratic juggernaut."

by Purplepeople on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 03:09:06 PM EST
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swan dive (none / 0)

You guys can go take a swan dive; this race isn't over. And with supporters like you, Lombard, who needs Republicans.

by grlpatriot on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 02:10:01 PM EST

That's not very fair (none / 0)

I have been a strong supporter of her this entire season. But, I don't want her to emerge from this process as damaged goods. From what I saw last night, neither does she.

I don't know yet who I will vote for in November. But, if Obama loses (and that is a fair possibility), I'd like Clinton to be in the best position possible to try another run in 2012 if she still wants to do that.

by lombard on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 02:15:06 PM EST
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You guys DO realize that... (2.00 / 1)

...According to The Green Papers.com, more than 10 million Americans voted for Hillary Clinton to be the Democratic nominee for President.

That's not something to cry about at all, and this race is not over until someone reaches the 2,025 delegate votes needed to win the nomination on the first ballot.

I'm going to quote Mike Huckabee here and say that there are many paths for Hillary to snare the Democratic presidential nomination, but there's only one way for her to lose it and that way is for her and her supporters to walk off the field.

by andrewalker08 on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 03:30:27 PM EST

Well-Said Lombard. (none / 0)

I have saif that I'd have supported HRC had she bee nable to procure the nomiation, but now that it seems unlikely at best, it is time to get behind Barack.

However...let's see what happens on 3/4...Hillary needs to win both in TX and OH by like 30 points to have a prayer of catching up to Obama in momentum and delegates.

If she does it...she may be the nominee. If she falls short and has to split delegates... endgame.

by a gunslinger on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 07:13:18 PM EST

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